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Posted by u/Life_of_the_PartyXO
46 hours ago

'AITA if I stop all of the favors I’ve been doing for my ex since he has refused the one favor I asked?'

This is kind of sweaty, but my (30f) ex husband Greg (38m) and I have two kids - Louisa (9) and Ted (7). We divorced over 5 years ago and coparent very well, the divorce was because I was happy with our two children but he wanted more, and even therapy didn't help. We have had basically no issues, there's no child support (we're 50/50), have never had issues having the kids if the other parent has something come up, and understand that it's just about making sure their lives aren't too disrupted.

Greg remarried Tessie (38f) four years ago and they have another child, a boy, and another about to make their appearance in this world in a few weeks. I am marrying my fiance Luke (36m) in February, we've been together for about 3 years and he's known my kids for 2, we moved in together last year. We have a group chat, but aren't overly friendly or anything - we only talk about the kids and keep it pretty lighthearted.

Our only 'rules' with the other datings is that we would introduce our partners to the other before they met the kids, which went great with both of them. When Tessie and Greg married, I obviously kept the kids an extra week for their honeymoon, and again for my actual week so they could settle in (they didn't live together before they got married).

When they had their first baby, I kept our kiddos for about a month (but brought them over a few times to see their new brother obviously) so they could settle in since it was Tessie's first baby.

A few weeks ago at one of Lacie's games, Tessie told me the date her c-section was scheduled for, which is in the middle of their custody week. I told her we were excited for them and of course I could keep them that week and my following week, and we could go back to normal their next custody period.

She kind of hemmed and hawed and asked if we could keep them for another custody week to give them a month again to get used to things. I said that was fine, I didn't expect them to need that much time for their second baby, but I c-sections are major surgeries and I said I'd be happy to keep the kid, they don't live far from us so bringing them over to hang out won't be too out of my way and of course I love having my kids with me.

Anyhoo, we've finalized our plan for our honeymoon, which is 3 weeks. I know it seems excessive but it's something on both of our bucket lists, but not something the kids would be too interested in, and the honeymoon seems like the best opportunity to do it. Basically what would happen would be that we'd get married on Saturday (my week), the kids would stay with Greg that night and stay for his week, then they would keep them for our week and their next week.

So they'd have them for one of my custody weeks plus one extra evening. I don't have family around, my parents died young, grandparents before them, and the aunt and uncle who helped raise me retired to New Mexico (3 hour plan ride + 2 hour drive at min). I have friends who have watched the kids before, but I didn't see a single issue with asking Greg to keep them for a week since it seems like there's a bit of precedent.

I texted him the general plan and emailed him a more detailed one with locations, days, times etc so he could know where we were/ how to contact us if there was an issue.

I thought all was well and good, but they never responded until a few days later they emailed me what Luke and I jokingly now refer to as The Manifesto. It was long, rambling, repetitive, and still somehow partially written by ChapGPT. The gist of it was:
- what kind of mother on a three week vacation without her kids
- I'm a terrible person in general for asking a young mother to have her stepkids full-time for three weeks while I go and enjoy myself (they/ she kept calling Tessie a young mother, I think she means mother of young kids and I know it's not the point but it kept annoying me.

also it wouldn't be alone with her - Greg would obviously be there)
- I am a horrible coparent for asking them to have the kids for three straight weeks while their kids are so young (their newest baby will be 6 months old by then btw)
- Apparently it's all well and fine that Luke and I don't want anymore kids (he has had a vasectomy and known he didn't want kids of his own for a while), but we'd better not think that gives us permission to 'dump' Louisa and Ted on them to galavant around (I don't think I've ever galavanted in my entire life!)
- We needed to figure our own weeks out ourselves, this was not life or death and it was ridiculous to ask them.

I got petty after this, especially them acting as if we are constantly 'dumping' the kiddos on them, so I went through the last four years of texts and made a spreadsheet of how many times either of us has asked the other to keep the kids and the duration on an excel sheet. While we both have made these requests, they have done so for 87 nights (52 times) vs me 12 nights (8 times).

Obviously, this makes sense since they have a baby, and I didn't send it to them or anything, but it was good to know I'm not crazy.

My friends say I should tell them that, fine, I won't keep them during their custody time after their new baby comes. I'm not going to do that. I love my kids and want to see them as much as I can! But I do a lot extra for them, just some examples:

- I (sometimes Luke if he's off work) pick the kids up every single day after school, and on Greg's custody weeks I drop them off at their house since he doesn't get off until 5 so that Tessie doesn't have to take the baby out to pick them up (keep in mind that she does not work anymore)
- Our divorce decree says that whoever's week it is must drop the kids off at the other parent's house, but I've been doing all of the back and forth for a while again because they have a kid and because it's not THAT far (5 minute drive, 20 minute walk if it's nice).

- I take the kids to all of their appointments, do all of the school parent stuff during the day, etc since I have a super flexible schedule and Greg's isn't, he would need to use PTO for all of this stuff.

- We usually split health insurance per the divorce decree, they're on his work's insurance but since I take them to all of their appointments etc I pay all of the copays. I keep a tally just in case I would end up owing him money (and I know what he pays towards the premiums), and in the past it was minimal, but our daughter unfortunately has Type 1 diabetes which has gotten pretty expensive.

It wasn't killing me, but Greg mentioned how tight money was once when I was bringing it up and I decided that it's not affecting my life, our daughter needed it, so I've been letting it go.

- Their son has been in the process of being diagnosed with autism, and has pretty bad meltdowns (this is all I know from Greg), so they call me pretty frequently to see if I can come and get the kids for a few hours if things are overwhelming. Of course I love my kids and spending time with them, but I've had to cancel plans for this and they have not cared.


Greg was in an accident and has been using my old car (I got a new one and hadn't sold the old one yet, it's not worth a ton or anything) for the past 7 months, with no effort to replace it.

- Greg travels sometimes for work, and they (greg and the kids) have a cat over there. Normally Louisa would take care of the litter box if Greg was travelling, but since her diagnoses and until we get her labs/ health under some form of control, we BOTH agreed that we don't want her messing with it (they let the cat go outside during the day).

Since Tessie has been pregnant she said she shouldn't have to, and Ted is a little young (he tried, failed, now he 'helps' lol), so I've been doing it.

Anyways, these are all benefits for them that I'm going to inform them are ending. I won't go back on my word to have the kiddos after she has her c-section, but the absolute gall of them to not do the one thing that I have asked of them (and that I've done for them!) have brought me to this. Most of my friends say I'm not going far enough, but a few have said that it might cause a breakdown in our coparenting relationship, which would affect the kids.

That's really the only thing I care about, so now I'm hesitant.

Comments (1545)

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u/HungryDeparture3358 1h ago

They are really biting the hand that feeds them. I would respond to the email saying “wow, I’m so surprised at this response given the positive relationship and co-parenting dynamic we have had thus far.

We will make other arrangements for the kids for that week.

I’ll also need to be selling that car, so let me know if you want to buy it priced at $XXXX or I’ll come to get it (5 days from today).

I also can’t be continuing to care for your cat, I’ll be stopping as of now, and Louisa still can’t do it.

I will still keep the kids for your two custody weeks in July as I had previously agreed to, but going forward will be working off the assumption that you will cover your time with them as I will with mine.

I’m sorry you prefer this type of arrangement, I was pretty happy with what we had before, but I understand.”

They may walk it back; or not. But if they don’t you don’t have to be a doormat.

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u/iamrakes 2h ago

Nta. Don't let anyone walk over you. They said you were dumping the kids on them when they were doing exactly the same. 

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u/LoloColdMedina 2h ago

Honestly, I would send an email with the spreadsheet (pretty bad ass imo) and let them know that you don’t appreciate their ungrateful attitude and that you are more than happy to go by the parenting agreement forward. People want to be petty and ungrateful & so do I. Lol

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u/Fire_or_water_kai 8h ago

Ywnbta

Your friends are worried if you send them this info it will "be a breakdown of the coparenting relationship," but don't consider their entitled manifesto to be the first crack at it? Those friends are full of shit.

I would send them the excel spreadsheet and tell them to verify it. Remind them of the flexibility you've given them AND you raised small children without the benefit of a 3rd parent. I would tell them how insulting their manifesto and lack of recognition of your efforts to make their lives easier and blend well with all the kids in mind. The audacity it takes to shame you for taking 3 weeks for your honeymoon, when you take the kids to so many things.

Fuck them. If they don't wise up, don't take the kids and stick to the custody schedule and work something out with your friends for your weeks.

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u/Alarmed-Speaker-8330 6h ago

In reading this i think we may be missing a subtle point. It only crossed my mind when you mention how many days extra you’ve had your kids. I mean, there’s only 365 days in a year! Each only have the kids for 182 days a year.

The new trad wife is pushing his first kids out. I’m not sure how we could look at it any other way. I think thats what’s underlying this.

I had 50/50 with my ex. Whenever she asked me to keep him extra days I always said yes. It happened a lot. I rarely asked. We were pretty amicable. Where is your ex in all of this? Is he just a spineless wiener?

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u/FelineGood8 7h ago

1. Send spreadsheet
2. Tell them the Manifesto was uncalled for and hurtful
3. Relay all extra time and efforts on your part are now OVER.
4. From now on, all parenting activities and schedules will be via a parenting APP
5. Ex husband is responsible for picking up and returning your children when it’s his week
6. AND you are allowed to change your mind: you will not be taking care of your children for a month after your ex’s partner gives birth
7. Bring your Aunt & Uncle out to care for your children during your honeymoon.

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u/SunMoonTruth 8h ago

Look, the 2nd wife is very much wanting to look after *her* kids not yours. And your (I have a flattering adjectives) ex-husband hasn’t yet figured out that having a litter of children comes with responsibilities that the big dog needs to take into account. *He* wanted this so badly that *he* needs to figure out how to support all his children regardless of how many women he procreates with.

Send the spreadsheet. Frame it like, having recounted the arrangements so far, that he has benefitted 6x times from your flexibility and willingness to cooperate for the benefit of the kids. Since his email however, you’ve been forced to reconsider the extent to which they’ve been relying on you to fill in the gaps in their ability to fulfill their responsibilities during their custody times, and the gaps in their finances.

Since he feels so strongly about how unfair the flexibility of the arrangement’s are, that you will revert to simply staying with the agreement as it’s meant to be.

Let them understand how much more “unfair” life can be. It make no mistake, she has little interest in parenting your kids along with hers. This is where her campaign to make her kids priority in their father’s life begins.

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u/janlep 1h ago

NTA. I suggest you meet with your ex (and just your ex, not his wife) and have a heart to heart with him. Tell him their response shocked and hurt you. Remind him of how much more often you’ve taken the kids during his custody time, the extra drop offs, etc., and that you’ve been glad to do it. Tell him you want to continue to have a good co-parenting relationship, but that relationship cannot be one-sided.

Then ask him what led them to give you such an unkind response to a reasonable request.

Hopefully you two can work this out. If not, then you’d be within your rights to be a lot less accommodating of their needs.

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u/Kredka707 5h ago

The break down of co parenting already happen. Tessie doesn’t like having your kids over too much. It’s challenging to have extra kids. 
You have been very good to them. You are cleaning their litter! That needs to stop! 
Tell him you want to sell your old car as well.
 

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u/Wild-Spare4672 6h ago

You’re NAH, but you are a sucker.

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u/Scary_Sarah 4h ago

NTA This is why custody needs to be a legal agreement. You let them use you as a support system when they would never do the same for you. Your co-parenting situation works only "very well" if you make the sacrifices.

You need to take him to court and make everything formal including child support and whether everything should actually be paid 50/50. They will keep taking advantage of your willingness to keep the peace as long as you let them.

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u/ftjlster 6h ago

OP, what you have isn't 50/50 custody. Its you pretending you have 50/50 custody so that your ex doesn't need to pay child support.

You've been providing life support, life admin, house keeping and financial help to your ex husband and his new wife while allowing them to pretend that they're such great parents. I'd suggest calmly providing that spreadsheet and then going back to a lawyer and asking about changing the child custody arrangement given you're ALREADY doing more than 50/50.

Also your ex husband and his wife deserve none of your grace. What the actual fuck - at least take back that car.

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u/Melle2421 8h ago

You have been more then accommodating. I think you should point out the imbalance going on. Especially since it has beneficial to them more. I’d let them know you expect the same courtesy that you have shown them! Especially for something as special as a honeymoon. I’d stop doing favor personally. They wanted more kids with a blended family, they can learn to tough it out.

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u/Sugar_Mama76 8h ago

NTA. I would reply back and say you’re terribly sorry that a single request is so offensive to them. From now on you will stick strictly to the parenting plan. No switching, pick ups, extra days. Because that’s horribly offensive to them and you won’t deviate again.

Don’t attach the spreadsheet. Attach the parenting plan. And next time he needs you to pick up the kids, reply “see page 6, line 9 of the plan. Don’t want to offend anyone by deviating again!” Send the invoices for your daughter’s medical. Same response as above. Let them see what happens when you kill the golden goose.

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u/Apprehensive_War9612 2h ago

NTA

But I wouldn’t inform them I was stopping all the extras. I would just stop.

- “Hey, I can’t pick the kids up this week or drop the kids to you. If you can’t come get them then perhaps Tessie can do it? If she can’t I guess you can reschedule and pick them up later in the day.”
- “FYI, Louisa’s doctor’s appointment is on the 15th. That’s during your week so I wanted to remind you.”
- “Oh, I’m sorry your son is having a meltdown but I’m actually out right now and can’t come grab the kids for you. I’m sure you can manage to figure out your weeks as it’s not life or death, right?”
- “I don’t really think I have time to come over and deal with your litter box. Its not really fair to *dump* your cat on a single mother.
- “Sorry to do this to you but I found a buyer for my car. I’ll need to get it back and detailed by next week.”

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u/NerdySwampWitch40 3h ago

YWNBTA- But you don't actually have 50/50 parenting time, and you need to recognize that.

Your spread sheet lays out that you ended up with the kids an extra what, 75 nights if you subtracted your requests from his?

You (or your partner) are doing all the school pick-ups.

You are doing all the emotional labor of scheduling and managing medical appointments for both children.

You are doing all school meetings for both children.

Greg and Tessie chose to have more kids. Is it possible they are now financially overwhelmed? Yes, especially with one child being special needs. Is it possible Tessie is emotionally overwhelmed? Yes, especially with dealing with a child on the autism spectrum and a new pregnancy.

Is that your problem to fix? No. No, it isn't.

You are correct that your first concern needs to be your kids, but you also need to take a hard look at the facts: Greg is already starting to fall down on the job. His household is relying on you to pick up his slack financially (he's driving your car, for crying out loud? Is he on the insurance? What if he has an accident) and emotionally for the kids when they already can't meet their needs, and that appears to be happening regularly.

You need to have the following conversations:

First, with your kids. I would do this separately so you can give each of them your full attention.
Ask non-leading questions, but ask how things have been at Dad and Tessie's. What makes them happiest about spending time there. Is there anything they're worried or upset about? And then listen to what they say, carefully.

Second, you need to have a meeting with just you and Greg, no Tessie and Luke. Lay out the following:
1) By sending their manifesto, he and Tessie have changed the tone of the coparenting relationship from cooperative to adversarial. Was that their intent?
2) Lay out the Math of how much of his co-parenting time you are already covering outside of the big asks.
3) Remind him that he and Tessie ask for and got two weeks of coverage with their first child and asked for the same this time around. Ask why that is a lesser ask than one week of time when, theoretically, your children will be in school most of the day, and care would only be needed in evenings?
4) Bring up any concerns the children have raised to you about time with their Dad, if there is any.
5) If he and Tessie are dying on this hill, let him know the following:
A) You will not provide coverage for his weeks post delivery. They get 72 hours. For anything else, they have to figure it out.
B) He has 45 days to secure a new vehicle. After that, you will reclaim yours, and he is on his own.
C) Whoever's parenting week it is is now responsible for school pick-ups, school meetings, and medical appointments. Records will be kept to balance medical expenses EXACTLY 50/50.
D) No more last-minute coverage.
E) If he demonstrates he can not meet the parenting plan as laid out (things are 50/50), then you will be forced to consult a lawyer about pursuing a change in custody.

This sounds harsh, but they are changing the script here, and I am betting money it's because of finances and because they are focusing more on their younger special needs child and impending birth. If that means your kids aren't getting the attention or parenting they need, something has to give, and you need to grow a shiny spine and make it happen.

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u/CalliopeOrion 4h ago

Wow. Somehow your EX-husband gets two wives for the price of one! Look at you, "mom-ing" for both households--no wonder the "co-parenting" has gone so well! That man has been getting everything he wants; more children with a new wife, still has YOU to handle all the doctor appointments, and school appointments, and school activities for his/your existing children, on top of constantly chauffeuring the kids to make HIS life easier, PLUS he gets to abdicate his own role as a father for those same children when it suits the needs of his new wife and \*THEIR\* family.

But of course, he's grateful, right? Happy to reciprocate? Offers to pay for things your kids need in exchange for all the extra time you've given, perhaps? Oh--no, that's right-you have also been providing financial support by paying all the health care premiums, instead of the half you're actually responsible for.

Did I misrepresent anything?

Have I missed anything? Oh, you even SCOOP THE LITTERBOX FOR \*THEIR\* CAT????

MA'AM.

Don't take this wrong, but... can \*WE\* get married and divorced? You are the \*BEST\* wi--um, excuse me "EX-wife" I have ever heard of.

Frankly, your ex-husband isn't a "co-parent." He is a glorified part time babysitter for his own kids.

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u/lapsteelguitar 6h ago

OP, please make it clear that you are NOT asking Tessie to take of your kids. You are asking their FATHER to take of your kids. After all, they are his kids. How they then arrange things is on them, not you.

NTA

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u/Dontfollahbackgirl 5h ago

Greg: I want more kids.

Also Greg: Not full time. I’m not going to help much. Don’t give the kids to me. I’ll dump them on my second wife.

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u/wcs4696 6h ago

NTA

I totally understand your desire to coparent peacefully, but it appears that they have taken your desire for that and they've slowly, subtly pushed the limits.

Now you draw the line in the sand & hold firm. I agree with others, share your spreadsheet. Tell them this is the cold hard evidence of you being more than gracious with their requests. Tell them all that will now stop because the Manifesto was uncalled for and their accusations are unfounded, again, as evidenced by your willingness and eagerness to spend extra time with your children!

Bring up your aunt and uncle, or let your fiancé's parents watch your kids, and start the new, firmer adherence to the legal custody agreement.

If they don't like it, they can take you to court. Keep repeating that to them when they object.

Good luck & update us when they realize they shot themselves in the foot!

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